Yes. Men with better knowledge of cricket at the top level than you and me, Milton, say Mitch is a future Australian captain. On his performance this summer it’s hard to disagree.
I saw your comment at 10.16pm Jan 6 JB, inferring skepticism on my part re global warming and also yourenquiry as to how a refrigerator works.
Regarding the fridge, I think its all about hot gas in coils (your offerings) meeting cool air temperature (my comments) and hey presto! the coolant (my comments) flows back through thin radiator pipes (your mindset) and cools back into liquid (my final response).
In relation to the global warming issue, I’ve often wondered how does one narrow the error bars of ones AGW predictions and what effect, if any, does walrus pee really have on arctic ice flows?
Inferring skepticism on your part? I never did, I’ve always considered you a dunderheaded denier of AGW, at best a wilful obfuscator. I hope sincerely I have not accidentally given you any other reason to believe otherwise.
A trillion tons. One cu km = 1B tonnes (a cubic metre of water weighs one tonne), so one trillion tons = 1000 cu km. The volumes in the water cycle are measured in cubic kilometers (or cubic miles, depending on where you live). Total water on the earth’s surface is 1.46 B cu km. Fresh water totals 35M cu km (not including ice).
Greenland ice amounts to 3 million cu km (of frozen fresh water),10% of all ice on earth. Ablation (melting) of ice totals 11,000 cu km per annum globally. The ablation rate you quote in the link is 2,500 cu km annually, a quarter of all global ice ablation, a doubtful claim. Consider the Ross Ice Shelf and the Weddell Sea and the Arctic Ocean. They freeze and ablate every year, and are vastly larger than Greenland. Also, Greenland ice is melting at the sea front; the glacial heads are actually thickening. This is causing glaciers to melt more quickly because they are accelerating downhill, bringing the ice to the sea faster. Another way of evaluating this is, it is snowing more in the uplands, so there is probably no nett loss of ice.
The WP have left a lot of information out of their item, making their article an unreliable source. They haven’t used the accepted scientific system of water cycle measurement, just produced a big scary number out of their arses to sensationalise their article because a trillion tonnes sounds big and scary, but 10,000 cu km doesn’t, particularly in light of how this compares with other relevant figures in the water cycle.
Jean Baptiste, you are intelligent enough not to accept anything at face value and to look more closely at quoted sources. You’ve stubbed your toe on this one. You should have known the system of measurement and seen straight through the sensationalist rot not just repeated it.
Thickening glaciers in Greenland. Several links from this page to firm science on Greenland glaciers and their current cycle of growth. There are over 190,000 glaciers worldwide and the majority are growing not shrinking, particularly in India. https://www.iceagenow.com/Greenland_Ice_Cap_Growing_Thicker.htm
“Don’t believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear”
Lou Reed – from the New York album – ‘The Last Great American Whale’ – maybe the best protest song in history.
Typical of the fraudulent cherry picking of the fossil fuel industry shills. While we might well expect some glaciers to “thicken” because more heat in the oceans means more water vapor in the atmosphere ergo more snow at some high altitudes the reality of shrinking glaciers is explained here.
OK tell us all what it would take to convince you that global warming is real, occurring faster than ever before and C02 caused by man, contributes to global warming.
I’d be more inclined to investigate the topic if the BoM revised their data back to what was actually recorded rather than the ‘homogenised’ fiction they now use. That data belonged to the nation, it was not their property and they had no right to change it, and less right to destroy it. Weather data is now a case of what someone thinks it should have been. The original dataset has been destroyed.
Elsewhere, Ray Thomas, singer for original shoe-gazer band The Moody Blues, has passed away aged 76. TMB were one of my favourite 60s 70s bands. Bye Ray, and thanks for the many memories.
I’m not a climate anything, or a drum beater for any point of view. One reason I left my trade is because I believe fossil fuels are out of date, and private ownership of cars will go the way of the dodo, as I’ve mentioned here before. I didn’t mention AGW or climate change. My post was a criticism of lazy, unresearched, sensationalist journalism at the WP and the foolishness of quoting anything without checking, which is what you did. The cubic kilometre is the unit of measure in the water cycle; simple fact. My opinion of the entire AGW ‘debate’ is too many unqualified people are arguing their favourite case as a political or religious imperative and both sides are ignoring valid science of both cases. I don’t argue politics or religion. It’s a waste of time and breath, and leads to a closed mind. The species is doomed because we won’t stop bonking. The only environmental issue I have any interest in is degradation of the marine environment, the only issue where I can have a direct impact, even if it is just picking up plastic trash on my fishing beaches and my lonely stand against buying Japanese. See my reply to yours about methane in the Arctic Ocean. I’ve mentioned the Great Methane Fart in an earlier post, and pointed out one of the great extinction events was linked to one such methane release. I was derided for that post as alarmist.
However. it’s worth noting humans are not creating that methane, it is created by the death and decomposition of algae in the top 10 metres of all the world’s oceans. That’s the same algae that creates 80% of our oxygen, and billions of tonnes of these dead algae litter the ocean floor slowly producing more methane. We have no way to control this natural cycle.
My calculations, such as they are, were basic arithmetic, based on reliable data from a scientific educational body. I corrected my error and happily stand by the rest. If you think I have misinterpreted the data, or made another error in maths, feel free to point it out.
The BoM destroyed historical data they didn’t own, and the errors they quoted as a reason for this were within the boundaries of statistical error.
All science is methodology applied to a practical problem. Use the wrong methodology and you get a dud result. Use the dud result and you get another dud result. Many years ago a medical scientist, Dr McBride, falsified data to get funding continued for a morning sickness drug and we got thalidimide. False or misleading data can have serious and even tragic consequences.
We know that very few people outside of the electricity generation and distribution industry understand how it works. But any number of online commenters think they do. Likewise gas extraction and fracking. Add scientific data collection, QC and processing to that list.
I see some Climate Change and Global Warming debate here, Mr Insider and who better to turn to for clarification than the Whirling Dervish himself, one Tony Abbott, our failed ex PM as he denies climate change and advocates carbon tax all in the one gulp of oxygen! Strewth. Slap me Jesus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPpQisoZqx4
Not one Marsh century, but two! Amazing the absolute Jaffa that did Mitch in the very next ball, but gee I bet Swampy is one very proud dad.
As for the critics, one noticeable on this blog who has gone amazingly silent, don’t tell us this Test has no relevance.
The Poms might be feeling the heat, but 40 plus degrees is just another day on the field for West Australians. I confess though I’m watching on the lounge, my Pommy brother in law invited me to go the SCG today, and I declined with all the grace I could muster. I said you’re bxxxxx mad.
Space news, Mr Insider, and NASA Astronaut John Young, who walked on the moon and commanded the first space shuttle flight, has died. He was 87. The space agency said Young was the only agency astronaut to go into space as part of the Gemini, Apollo and Space Shuttle programs, and the first to fly into space six times. He was the ninth man to walk on the moon, the late Neil Armstrong being the first.
Young was in Nasa’s second astronaut class, chosen in 1962, along with the likes of Neil Armstrong, Pete Conrad and James Lovell. https://tinyurl.com/y9r7yqp8
Sad news, Henry and I noticed in the linked article also the death of Bruce McCandless.
If we manage to survive as a species long enough these blokes will be viewed by future space-faring generations in the same way that we view the early aviation pioneers.
Here’s my post on the ‘Sudanese Crisis’. I’ve met some tremendous members of the Sudanese community. They acknowledge from time to time they have issues with their young people. Being a child soldier and surviving in the camps is a tough gig. Generally speaking the churches, catholic in the main, have simply dumped them into suburbs, felt that warm glow and then done bugger all by way of support. Statistically, particularly in Victoria, they are more likely to offend. They are also less likely to be incarcerated by well meaning but slightly delusional judicial officers. What’s the answer? Treat the offenders as offenders and get some education and support into the kids in their pre teen years so they have a chance. We’ve lost what we have lost and have to wear that, but we can make a difference to the kids coming through.
Also VICPOL is currently leaderless and the current executive will be too busy jockeying for the top job and trying to impress Fidel Andrews rather than taking a harder line on the small amount of people causing the drama.
What? Tulip has got it’s head up it’s date? That’s not an admission Lou, that’s stating the excruciatingly obvious, how else could someone ask a stupid question like that?
Keep ’em coming, I can keep this all day. Any hope you might have for me I will gracefully decline, I’m not ready for idiocy yet. Theres no hope for you, but enjoy.
“Or, as I’ve been saying for years, what people really need is insensitivity training…”
given the ranks of the perpetually offended seemed to be expanding rapidly this might be a sound business, and as i have been officially described as rude and offensive by a Federal Court judge i sense an opportunity.
roll up. roll up, i can promise you a proper bollocking, harden you up no end, do you the world of good, and a bargain at 2k a day
Nice work by our cricketers today, especially the Marsh bros.
Yes. Men with better knowledge of cricket at the top level than you and me, Milton, say Mitch is a future Australian captain. On his performance this summer it’s hard to disagree.
I wanna see how they perform in SA, UK , India, Pakistan and Windies before I make a final call. It is how you play overseas that defines you.
That’s awfully miserable of you Bassman, why can’t you just join in the celebrating of a job well done. As for your final call, who in the hell cares?
I was a serial Marsh basher. I was wrong.
I I am wrong most of the time!
I was told it was going to be Cummins last night. Hmmmm…………………………………..
David Simon (The Wire), pithy.
https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/949856706166697984
I saw your comment at 10.16pm Jan 6 JB, inferring skepticism on my part re global warming and also yourenquiry as to how a refrigerator works.
Regarding the fridge, I think its all about hot gas in coils (your offerings) meeting cool air temperature (my comments) and hey presto! the coolant (my comments) flows back through thin radiator pipes (your mindset) and cools back into liquid (my final response).
In relation to the global warming issue, I’ve often wondered how does one narrow the error bars of ones AGW predictions and what effect, if any, does walrus pee really have on arctic ice flows?
Inferring skepticism on your part? I never did, I’ve always considered you a dunderheaded denier of AGW, at best a wilful obfuscator. I hope sincerely I have not accidentally given you any other reason to believe otherwise.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/07/19/greenland-lost-a-trillion-tons-of-ice-in-just-four-years/?utm_term=.68fb14016379
A trillion tons. One cu km = 1B tonnes (a cubic metre of water weighs one tonne), so one trillion tons = 1000 cu km. The volumes in the water cycle are measured in cubic kilometers (or cubic miles, depending on where you live). Total water on the earth’s surface is 1.46 B cu km. Fresh water totals 35M cu km (not including ice).
Greenland ice amounts to 3 million cu km (of frozen fresh water),10% of all ice on earth. Ablation (melting) of ice totals 11,000 cu km per annum globally. The ablation rate you quote in the link is 2,500 cu km annually, a quarter of all global ice ablation, a doubtful claim. Consider the Ross Ice Shelf and the Weddell Sea and the Arctic Ocean. They freeze and ablate every year, and are vastly larger than Greenland. Also, Greenland ice is melting at the sea front; the glacial heads are actually thickening. This is causing glaciers to melt more quickly because they are accelerating downhill, bringing the ice to the sea faster. Another way of evaluating this is, it is snowing more in the uplands, so there is probably no nett loss of ice.
The WP have left a lot of information out of their item, making their article an unreliable source. They haven’t used the accepted scientific system of water cycle measurement, just produced a big scary number out of their arses to sensationalise their article because a trillion tonnes sounds big and scary, but 10,000 cu km doesn’t, particularly in light of how this compares with other relevant figures in the water cycle.
My reference (real science):-
https://scied.ucar.edu/longcontent/water-cycle
Jean Baptiste, you are intelligent enough not to accept anything at face value and to look more closely at quoted sources. You’ve stubbed your toe on this one. You should have known the system of measurement and seen straight through the sensationalist rot not just repeated it.
Sez you.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/big-thaw/
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/great-greenland-meltdown
“Sez you” says it all JB. And that’s all you’ve got to say me old mate?
Plenty. As you will see. And you just keep picking away with nothing at ll but gainsay.
I’ve made an error in the arithmetic. Para 2 line 3 figure should read 250 cu km, not 2500 cu km. Makes the WP article look even sillier.
Thickening glaciers in Greenland. Several links from this page to firm science on Greenland glaciers and their current cycle of growth. There are over 190,000 glaciers worldwide and the majority are growing not shrinking, particularly in India.
https://www.iceagenow.com/Greenland_Ice_Cap_Growing_Thicker.htm
Global list of expanding glaciers.
https://www.iceagenow.com/List_of_Expanding_Glaciers.htm
Meanwhile, way down south
https://www.iceagenow.com/Antarctic_Ice_Cap_Growing_Thicker.htm
“Don’t believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear”
Lou Reed – from the New York album – ‘The Last Great American Whale’ – maybe the best protest song in history.
Typical of the fraudulent cherry picking of the fossil fuel industry shills. While we might well expect some glaciers to “thicken” because more heat in the oceans means more water vapor in the atmosphere ergo more snow at some high altitudes the reality of shrinking glaciers is explained here.
https://skepticalscience.com/himalayan-glaciers-growing.htm
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/melting-glacier-time-lapse-photographs-climate-change-greenland-antarctica-global-warming-a7666141.html
Not much wiss in that dorf.
Your calculations? I didn’t come down in the last shower Wissy.
OK tell us all what it would take to convince you that global warming is real, occurring faster than ever before and C02 caused by man, contributes to global warming.
I’d be more inclined to investigate the topic if the BoM revised their data back to what was actually recorded rather than the ‘homogenised’ fiction they now use. That data belonged to the nation, it was not their property and they had no right to change it, and less right to destroy it. Weather data is now a case of what someone thinks it should have been. The original dataset has been destroyed.
Elsewhere, Ray Thomas, singer for original shoe-gazer band The Moody Blues, has passed away aged 76. TMB were one of my favourite 60s 70s bands. Bye Ray, and thanks for the many memories.
Of course disregard the evidence that you can see right under your nose if you were prepared to look, and obfuscate about methodology.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/JustOneThing/story?id=8457650
Climate deniers and the wilfully ignorant are just plain nuts. No wonder the species is doomed.
I’m not a climate anything, or a drum beater for any point of view. One reason I left my trade is because I believe fossil fuels are out of date, and private ownership of cars will go the way of the dodo, as I’ve mentioned here before. I didn’t mention AGW or climate change. My post was a criticism of lazy, unresearched, sensationalist journalism at the WP and the foolishness of quoting anything without checking, which is what you did. The cubic kilometre is the unit of measure in the water cycle; simple fact. My opinion of the entire AGW ‘debate’ is too many unqualified people are arguing their favourite case as a political or religious imperative and both sides are ignoring valid science of both cases. I don’t argue politics or religion. It’s a waste of time and breath, and leads to a closed mind. The species is doomed because we won’t stop bonking. The only environmental issue I have any interest in is degradation of the marine environment, the only issue where I can have a direct impact, even if it is just picking up plastic trash on my fishing beaches and my lonely stand against buying Japanese. See my reply to yours about methane in the Arctic Ocean. I’ve mentioned the Great Methane Fart in an earlier post, and pointed out one of the great extinction events was linked to one such methane release. I was derided for that post as alarmist.
However. it’s worth noting humans are not creating that methane, it is created by the death and decomposition of algae in the top 10 metres of all the world’s oceans. That’s the same algae that creates 80% of our oxygen, and billions of tonnes of these dead algae litter the ocean floor slowly producing more methane. We have no way to control this natural cycle.
My calculations, such as they are, were basic arithmetic, based on reliable data from a scientific educational body. I corrected my error and happily stand by the rest. If you think I have misinterpreted the data, or made another error in maths, feel free to point it out.
The BoM destroyed historical data they didn’t own, and the errors they quoted as a reason for this were within the boundaries of statistical error.
All science is methodology applied to a practical problem. Use the wrong methodology and you get a dud result. Use the dud result and you get another dud result. Many years ago a medical scientist, Dr McBride, falsified data to get funding continued for a morning sickness drug and we got thalidimide. False or misleading data can have serious and even tragic consequences.
Yeah yeah Wissy. So show us those calculations then?
I’d rather just keep on bonking if the end of the world is nigh. 😁
The academics I know agree with you JB. We’re rooted.
That’s the spirit Boadicea, if you have to go down you might as well go down rooting.
We know that very few people outside of the electricity generation and distribution industry understand how it works. But any number of online commenters think they do. Likewise gas extraction and fracking. Add scientific data collection, QC and processing to that list.
Not the way science works. I’m pretty Popperian in my outlook. What piece of evidence would cause you to doubt?
That’s a bit steep , Fire and Fury at Abbey’s Bookshop $55.95 , think i’ll wait till it comes to the local library , thanks.
He may have nuked every copy on the planet by then 🙁
Get it free on Wikileaks now…..
I see some Climate Change and Global Warming debate here, Mr Insider and who better to turn to for clarification than the Whirling Dervish himself, one Tony Abbott, our failed ex PM as he denies climate change and advocates carbon tax all in the one gulp of oxygen! Strewth. Slap me Jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPpQisoZqx4
Let us join together in this holy day and pray for Jesus to slap Henry.
Jesus who? What’s his last name?
Any, or all of.
If Jesus is Jewish, how come he has a Mexican name?
Properly it should be Yeshua, but try saying Yeshua in Mexican! Just doesn’t sound right.
http://jesus-everywhere.tumblr.com/post/33710055688/jes%C3%BAs-in-a-mariachi-band
Amen
Not one Marsh century, but two! Amazing the absolute Jaffa that did Mitch in the very next ball, but gee I bet Swampy is one very proud dad.
As for the critics, one noticeable on this blog who has gone amazingly silent, don’t tell us this Test has no relevance.
The Poms might be feeling the heat, but 40 plus degrees is just another day on the field for West Australians. I confess though I’m watching on the lounge, my Pommy brother in law invited me to go the SCG today, and I declined with all the grace I could muster. I said you’re bxxxxx mad.
Doubt he’ll comment Lou. Never does on the numerous occasions he’s proved wrong.
You have yet to prove me wrong about anything. No surprises.
Well done the Marsh brothers. England’s attack is pedestrian. Lets see how the batting line up goes against Seth Effrica..
Space news, Mr Insider, and NASA Astronaut John Young, who walked on the moon and commanded the first space shuttle flight, has died. He was 87. The space agency said Young was the only agency astronaut to go into space as part of the Gemini, Apollo and Space Shuttle programs, and the first to fly into space six times. He was the ninth man to walk on the moon, the late Neil Armstrong being the first.
Young was in Nasa’s second astronaut class, chosen in 1962, along with the likes of Neil Armstrong, Pete Conrad and James Lovell.
https://tinyurl.com/y9r7yqp8
Bollocks.
No its true Mr Baptiste he died. Cheers
Sad news, Henry and I noticed in the linked article also the death of Bruce McCandless.
If we manage to survive as a species long enough these blokes will be viewed by future space-faring generations in the same way that we view the early aviation pioneers.
What an exciting life they all had TBLS. Cheers
Here’s my post on the ‘Sudanese Crisis’. I’ve met some tremendous members of the Sudanese community. They acknowledge from time to time they have issues with their young people. Being a child soldier and surviving in the camps is a tough gig. Generally speaking the churches, catholic in the main, have simply dumped them into suburbs, felt that warm glow and then done bugger all by way of support. Statistically, particularly in Victoria, they are more likely to offend. They are also less likely to be incarcerated by well meaning but slightly delusional judicial officers. What’s the answer? Treat the offenders as offenders and get some education and support into the kids in their pre teen years so they have a chance. We’ve lost what we have lost and have to wear that, but we can make a difference to the kids coming through.
Also VICPOL is currently leaderless and the current executive will be too busy jockeying for the top job and trying to impress Fidel Andrews rather than taking a harder line on the small amount of people causing the drama.
Pretty silly final sentence. Ashton is on mental health leave but he’s due back this week.
Ashton’s tenure is over in all but name. Nice bloke, I’ve met him, just wasn’t up to the task. As for the jockeying for the top job? Trust me it’s on!
What is global warming?
It’s what happens when you go around with your head stuck up your date.
That’s one hell of an admission you just made right there JB.
There might be hope for you yet.
You guys are funny. No question! …… [laughing]
What? Tulip has got it’s head up it’s date? That’s not an admission Lou, that’s stating the excruciatingly obvious, how else could someone ask a stupid question like that?
Keep ’em coming, I can keep this all day. Any hope you might have for me I will gracefully decline, I’m not ready for idiocy yet. Theres no hope for you, but enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skVrKVJb1Sc
Best link everJB.
Says plenty about climate deniers’ mindset. Shame they won’t get it. 🐬
Cheers Bella. Gawd they’re awful aren’t they.
Give ’em heaps.
Now this I really did enjoy.
“Or, as I’ve been saying for years, what people really need is insensitivity training…”
given the ranks of the perpetually offended seemed to be expanding rapidly this might be a sound business, and as i have been officially described as rude and offensive by a Federal Court judge i sense an opportunity.
roll up. roll up, i can promise you a proper bollocking, harden you up no end, do you the world of good, and a bargain at 2k a day
that is not HKD btw, USD. .
Bargain
Rip off. Blofeld’s been doing it pro bono for years.